Why do people eat high protein diets?

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iffiff

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Posted: 07 Feb 2014, 13:34
Hello, I was wondering why people would selectively eat high protein diets and avoid carbohydrates? I ask this because carbs are the primary source of fuel in the body, right? And next is fat and THEN protein. Protein is a very rich source of fuel that the body cannot burn except in cases of emergency.
When protein is not ready to be burnt, it is stored as fat!

So, why?
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Posted: 07 Feb 2014, 13:44
Protein satisfies your hunger much longer. Most carbs turn directly to sugar. i.e. anything white, sugar, flour, potatoes pasta all raise your insulin levels. I notice when I eat mostly carbs for breakfast I am starving way before lunch. When I have eggs, bacon, etc I can last till mid afternoon if need be. But the best thing is to eat about 6 times a day.Don't starve yourself.
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Posted: 07 Feb 2014, 14:03
Also, protein is very much needed for muscle growth, and by growing muscle while you lose weight you get to maintain some of the muscle you have. Losing weight puts you in the risk zone of losing muscle, and you really don't want this to happen.
The more muscle you have, the higher a BMR you will have, and the more calories you will burn.
Go with protein, and enough fat that your body is properly fueled, and then stock up to your max calorie intake with carbs.

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Posted: 07 Feb 2014, 14:19
Iffiff ”Hello, I was wondering why people would selectively eat high protein diets and avoid carbohydrates?”

I can’t really answer this questing I see nothing wrong with carbohydrates.

“I ask this because carbs are the primary source of fuel in the body, right? “

That would be am over simplification, so no not really; it really depends on what your body is doing. Exp If your body is repairing damage body tissues or building or sustaining your current muscle mass your body is going to need a minimal amount of protein for fuel without this you will not heal or you will lose body mass, Carb or fat will not fed your body of all its needs.

"And next is fat and THEN protein. Protein is a very rich source of fuel that the body cannot burn except in cases of emergency. "

This is an over simplifications of how the human body operates your body is going to need a minimal amount of protein every day.

"When protein is not ready to be burnt, it is stored as fat!"

And when cards are not burnt they are converted into glycogen what’s your point?

"So, why?"

That would be dependent on their goals.
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Posted: 07 Feb 2014, 21:26
We like meat and vegetables.
Diablo360x

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Posted: 07 Feb 2014, 23:35
Reasons
1. Muscle sparing
2. Helps with satiety
3. Thermic effect of protein is highest of all macronutrients. Your body burns about 25% of protein calories digesting them.
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Posted: 08 Feb 2014, 02:38
Protein is the most satisfying of all the macronutrients. High protein meals suppress appetite by creating a feeling of fullness.
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Posted: 14 Feb 2014, 12:57
In my pre-meno stage, I was finally able to shed all my weight by limiting carbs (cutting the bad ones) by doing this! Additionally, I feel great (mentally and physically) and have seen more muscle tone with less exercise then in the past, pre-high protein, high fat diet...
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Posted: 14 Feb 2014, 14:10
Any calories you eat that don't get used right away are stored at fat, so protein is not much different there. And generally speaking, the point of this website is to be burning all your calories and then some to create a deficit.

That said, I've struggled with high protein and then decided it's just not for me. I get enough to support my activities but and prevent muscle loss but find that beyond a certain point, it doesn't make a difference for weight loss and it forces me to eat more meat than I'd prefer. Yes, there are non-meat sources of protein but to really get my protein up as high as many people recommend, you have to go with pure sources, which are eggs, meat, poultry and fish. To put it bluntly, I don't think large quantities of factory farmed meat are particularly healthy and most of us can't afford to buy any other kind in any quantity.

I've been pretty successful with a moderate amount of protein, a decent amount of fat and lots of carbs, mostly complex - usually about 50% carbs/30% fat/20% protein. Lots of veggies, fruit, oats, beans, and whole-grain breads. Many people would freak out at that breakdown but it works for me and my dietary preferences, which is critical for long-term healthy eating habits. If you're constantly fighting with yourself about what you eat, are you really going to stick with it?

So yes, protein is important and you should make sure you get enough of it to maintain muscle, etc., but I tend to think many people place too much emphasis on it. 1 gm per pound (a common recommendation) is just excessive for me - I get around half that on average. When it comes down to it, most Americans are NOT hurting for protein in their diets.
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Posted: 15 Feb 2014, 11:34
PROTEIN VS CARBS VS LIPIDS??????
People should avoid simple sugars (carbs) such candy, white bread... complex carbs should be most of your meal/snack because they take longer to break down and therefore give you more energy for a longer period of time. They keep you full longer because the boost your metabolism rather than peak and drop it like some sugar. There are two reasons why we eat: 1. To obtain energy to fuel our bodies (like gas to a car)
2. Our bodies breakdown the food we eat (catabolism) and use the smaller parts such as lipids(fats), amino acids(proteins) and carbs to build or rebuild parts (anabolism) for our body such as skin, white blood cells, heal wounds... etc These two "bolisms" are what make-up our metabolism.
When you think about it on a cellular level as explained above, you can imagine that we need a specific amount of "supplies" or nutrients to keep our bodies running correctly (healthy).
If you can figure out how many calories you need in a day (web.md has an easy process to follow or I will try to post a power point I made for my high school students). But once you know your Daily Caloric Intake (2000 cal for example) you split the calories up among nutrients like so... of your total caloric intake %58 should be carbohydrates (MOSTLY complex), %12 should be from proteins, and %30 should be from lipids (fats... ideally %10 saturated,%10 unsaturated & %10 polyunsaturated) . Remember proteins and carbs have 4 calories per gram and fats have 9 calories per gram.
liv001

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Posted: 15 Feb 2014, 12:39
The body does not care where the energy is from
If you eat 200 calories it will metabolize 200 calories no matter the source.

It may use different ways to get at those calories but it will get at them

However of the macronutrients that give us energy only protein can provide amino acids we need. Protein are therefore absolutely necessary to eat.

Because the liver and kidneys are so involved in the process people used to worry that over eating protein caused liver or kidney damage. But all indications are that we can process a lot of protein without causing any damage. So this is more of a scare than reality

I do not eat a high protein diet. I eat a high fat diet. When your body metabolize fats it will be in ketosis. I believe this is the natural state for the body to be in most of the time.

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Posted: 15 Feb 2014, 13:24
To say the body (the most marvelous creation ever) doesn't care what type of fuel it gets is absolutely inaccurate. Any person knows (it does not take a rocket scientist to understand)that to take & put anything other than what is factory recommended into a state of the art,high preforming machine can & will (even if it takes a period of time)not be what is best for the machine. Many things begin to happen that start to damage the machine not only in it's appearance but more importantly in it's functioning. YES you CAN add LOW GRADE FUEL to a HYBRID MACHINE,but WHY would you WANT to? It is the OPERATOR that decides what fuel is used but the MANUFACTURER KNOWS & CARES what will make it function PROPERLY & to it's BEST ABILITIES. Treating our body as if IT doesnt care what we put into it is not merely displaying a lack of respect for this wonderful gift we have that actually *allows* us to live it's also paramount to having NO respect for it's Creator.I wish I knew whose words I'm about to quote because whoever said it,knew what he/she was talking about. QUOTE: The trouble with self-made people is that they worship *their* creator. (*emphasis* is mine)
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liv001

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Posted: 15 Feb 2014, 13:31
I did not quite mean it like that
I just meant that energy is energy
only because the original poster implied somehow that carbs were used and protein was stored as fat

Now your other beliefs are your beliefs and I am fine with people not agreeing with me.
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Posted: 15 Feb 2014, 14:02
By my response I can understand why you may have concluded that I am one who may "have to argue" but that is far from being true. Very Happy I will confess tho' that no doubt my words & even posting them were due to the arguing of other posts I had read & was actually trying to find different posts to read so as not feel compelled to join in. Unlike you,I don't even "like to watch." However, when I read what you "did not quite mean..like that" I felt the need to defend The One who can & will defend himself...in his time. But as you,"I am fine with people not agreeing with me" also,in fact,I count it as evidence that I'm correct Very Happy
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Posted: 15 Feb 2014, 14:10
You just like the last word Smile
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Posted: 15 Feb 2014, 16:21
The last word. That seems to be going around. Smile

I found this very interesting. The body actually has four fuels it can run. ATP (creatine phosphate), Carbohydrate/glycogen, protein stores, and fat stores. For athletes, the energy available from each of these sources if they are not replenished are as follows on average. Of course different athletes train for different things. This is for runners.

The body can only replenish ATP so quickly. ATP depletion is why bodybuilders, powerlifters, and sprinters can only do so much before they hit the wall and can't continue. They need to take a short rest for the ATP to be restored. Anyay, that's another whole discussion.

ATP: 90 yards.
Glycogen/Carbohydrates: 20 miles. (Hey! It's the marathon!)
Protein (Muscle): 300 miles.
Fat: 830 miles.

The three we want to use of course are ATP, Glycogen/carbs, and Fat. Each has it's own place as a fuel for the body. ATP - quick bursts of energy. Carbohydrates - sustained activity. Fat - fuel used while resting.

Our bodies of course can be trained to access these sources (or not trained) making access to each source more or less usable in a given circumstance. It's quite an amazing design.
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Posted: 15 Feb 2014, 18:18
ATP=adenosine triphosphate NOT creatine phosphate. Just an FYI.
r1xlx

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Posted: 16 Feb 2014, 05:35
liv001 wrote:
The body does not care where the energy is from

Because the liver and kidneys are so involved in the process people used to worry that over eating protein caused liver or kidney damage. But all indications are that we can process a lot of protein without causing any damage. So this is more of a scare than reality

I do not eat a high protein diet. I eat a high fat diet. When your body metabolize fats it will be in ketosis. I believe this is the natural state for the body to be in most of the time.


Actually I think there is plenty research and anecdotal info to suggest that a high protein diet can affect the liver and kidneys as people who for various reasons have only had lean meat to eat do suffer from liver functions breakdown and eventually die from water retention with elevated heartrate and congestion.
I seriously doubt that humans were intended to eat a high fat diet as a vegetarina diet has litle fat but a reasonable amount of oils.
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Posted: 16 Feb 2014, 06:16
This guy is a really interesting character who has completely transformed his life. He has a lot of really interesting articles about protein, fat and the benefits of eating lower amounts of carbs and restricting carb intake to whole foods only. He changed his life with this diet. An interesting read.

http://www.bulletproofexec.com/
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liv001

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Posted: 16 Feb 2014, 11:38
r1xlx wrote:
liv001 wrote:
The body does not care where the energy is from

Because the liver and kidneys are so involved in the process people used to worry that over eating protein caused liver or kidney damage. But all indications are that we can process a lot of protein without causing any damage. So this is more of a scare than reality

I do not eat a high protein diet. I eat a high fat diet. When your body metabolize fats it will be in ketosis. I believe this is the natural state for the body to be in most of the time.


Actually I think there is plenty research and anecdotal info to suggest that a high protein diet can affect the liver and kidneys as people who for various reasons have only had lean meat to eat do suffer from liver functions breakdown and eventually die from water retention with elevated heartrate and congestion.
I seriously doubt that humans were intended to eat a high fat diet as a vegetarina diet has litle fat but a reasonable amount of oils.


Can you mention some studies. I know body builders who eat large amounts of protein. They have no issues.

I see you think people were intended to eat a vegetarian diet. That is fine but I grew up in the Artic and large amounts of fats and protein were the standard there.
Maybe what people ate depended on their food sources,
I just do not think the body was meant to process a lot of refined carbs. but that is me



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