And I quote again which is *actually* my point, in case you missed it: "I won't post in any more nonsense threads based on pseudo scientific rubbish and in same cases out right LIES" That's quite hypocritical. Oh and by the way, your thread was trolled by others who have obviously had problems with you before on their own threads. Do two wrongs make a right? Sometimes you must give respect first in order to gain it yourself. Sometimes it takes being the first one to be the bigger person and take that first step towards peace. Somehow a lot of the Atkins threads you go onto become a debate… maybe there is a good reason for that? Maybe mummydee was the first one to mention calories, but you quickly jumped on that to debate. I offered no advice because everything that needed to be said was already said… why should I? I didn’t know that in order to say something on a thread I must first offer advice lol. FYI, I don't come here to debate the validity of my diet and I don't appreciate someone butting into every thread they can to instigate one. I come here to discuss things and get information with like-minded people. It helps to have those who support my goals, and this other negative stuff actually discourages me from taking part in this community... thus not supporting my goals whatsoever. I'm sure many others feel the same, they don't want to debate, they simply want peace and advice. It's why I offer no more advice to others... why have the stress of debating? Why cause the child I'm carrying this unneeded stress? I'm no longer taking part of this community as it’s seemingly a very unwelcome place for Atkins followers. But I suppose that's what you want anyway, for anyone who doesn't count calories to either leave or be deleted off the website. I know for a fact that my journals, diet calendar, and weight history and everything is on lock-down from everyone even my friends. So you have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about with me and it's not really your business either. Because I'm currently pregnant and gaining weight as I should be, it is really no one’s business but my doctors and so I’ve chosen to keep everything private. As for my weight history... what you cannot see is that before getting pregnant I lost 120lbs. AND I've maintained my weight gain to what is normal for a pregnant woman, nothing more than that, for the past 2 months. Not a great example of success you say? I know about two hundred people in RL including my PCP and OB-GYN and at least a handful of others online who would disagree wholeheartedly with you. Why was it even necessary to personally attack me anyway? And anyway not everyone on here gives advice because they feel oh so more successful than everyone else, but because they are familiar with Atkins diet, have read the book and want to help others. They are indeed qualified to offer advice based on that, more so than you on an Atkins thread. Have you read the book Spacey? Of course not, it’s pseudo science according to you. Well anyway, I’m done. As I mentioned I have a little person inside of me who does not benefit from negativity and well there is more than enough to go around in the world without this time and energy sucking BS lol. I now come here to use the tools on FS only, to work the plan that works for me, which was recommended by my doctor to treat my *medical* condition of PCOS… that’s the only person whose business it actually is as they are a trained medical professional with advanced knowledge of PCOS, much more so than you. Keep being a hypocritical diet Nazi if you wish. It only makes you an intolerant jerk. Unsubscribed from this thread now. Good day.

[quote=Spacey47][quote=mummyde... Now there's an RDI for your calories. . [/quote] So now it's just calorie counting! Wasn't the WHOLE point of Atkins in the first place NOT counting calories! If you have to keep ADJUSTING your original premise it means that your original premise was WRONG which means that your WHOLE CONCEPT is based on WRONGNESS I don't think the concept of calorie counting has ever changed for those who adhere to it because it's a simple basic fact.. energy in vs energy out pretty much regardless of what you eat within reason ie you could eat sweets all day and lose weight but you might not be very healthy You can't call it NEW ATKINS because ATKINS NEVER WROTE IT! You can call it new book by the company founded by Atkins which exists to make money and is trying to keep itself relevant [/quote] Allow me to quote your own thread: "This whole website is based on CALORIE MANAGEMENT so of you are interested in that and can adhere to the rules above I would be happy to discuss and talk with you I won't post in any more nonsense threads based on pseudo scientific rubbish and in same cases out right LIES I find many of these posts dangerous and potentially very harmful to people's health and I think the moderators of CALORIE COUNTING website should delete those posts I may be brusque but what I say will not physically harm you some of the nonsense spouted here might!" http://fatsecret.com/Community... Considering that you stated plainly that Atkins followers need not to offer their opinions on your thread, and you stated you would not post on these threads of which you do not believe, then why, pray tell, are you trolling yet again on a thread that's labeled clearly to be an Atkins related thread? Why do you demand respect on your own thread and yet do not give it to others? This thread has zero to do with calories. Period. Why not stick to your own thread where others believe what you believe and you can feel oh so superior to everyone else there? If you have a life, why don't you get on with it then instead of expending so much energy being condescending towards others towards their diets and the way they choose to lose weight?

LOL this coming from a person who eats 300 carbs for breakfast. Sorry you have no clue how I ate, or how I gained the weight I did. I have been overweight my entire life since I was 6 years old it did not all pile on in a few years because I was gorging myself, it took 25 years for me to get to 350lbs. Proving your ignorance to other people's circumstances once again. Consider anything you say after this as being ignored as I am done and unsubscribed from this thread.

[quote=Diablo360x][quote=shado... All humans are different and therefore DO NOT all process food the same way everyone else does... open your mind for a sec here with me and realize that not all metabolisms or bodies are built or process things the same way. I mean how else would you explain one person being allergic to a food while another isnt. [/quote] You lost weight due to a calorie deficit. You were overeating. Your metabolism does not swing wildly up and down every day. You burn more or less the same amount of calories depending on your daily activities. http://www.bodyrecomposition.c... Allergies are a totally different story of course. Avoid foods that may kill you.[/quote] Uhh riiiight I was eating the same kind of things you do and I was overeating? Psshh whatever. Anyway..............

[quote=Diablo360x][quote=Diabl... about what exactly? I'm confused because your link only reiterates what many low carbers here believe LOL [/quote] Wrong in saying carbs are more important to limit than calories. Simple physics will tell you how off that is. The law of thermodynamics and also that link show you. Low carbers believe that calories do not matter as much as carbs. "Furthermore, your implication that counting calories is more important than carbs… well, I disagree." - You[/quote][/quote] That link proved nothing to me and in fact said that low carb works. I also told you *my experience* based on *my body* I don't care what some link says, I care what *my body* says, tyvm. I'm maintaining right now, my calories can be low and my carbs high and I gain. So pull out a link that explains that one would you? P.S. Carbs are not a food group lol and low carbers do not avoid them, we simply get them from better quality foods like nutrient dense vegetables instead of grains, sugars, or processed foods. I'm pretty much unmoved by this discussion and I think you're rude and intolerant to what others believe. Maybe you should stick to the low calorie forums since you do not believe in low carb? To do otherwise would be trollish behavior, no? Just a thought. Good day.

[quote=Diablo360x][quote=Raven... l2jsheart, that drives me batty also--not only when it's some people that are trying to gain weight, but when their diet consists of mostly sugar-laden items and 200-300 carbs a DAY... *cough* How could anyone that knows even a tiny bit about nutrition think that that's sound?!? [/quote] I'm not trying to gain weight. The fact that I can do that while losing and/or maintaining a low bodyfat should tell you something. I am a human, my body processes food the same way yours does.[/quote] All humans are different and therefore DO NOT all process food the same way everyone else does... open your mind for a sec here with me and realize that not all metabolisms or bodies are built or process things the same way. I mean how else would you explain one person being allergic to a food while another isnt. Case in point, I have PCOS (polycystic ovarian syndrome), this is a hormonal disorder that causes insulin resistance, hormonal imbalances, fertility problems, and makes it hard to lose weight and easy to gain it back. My body will not ever process food the same way as yours. I could not at all lose weight counting just calories, and an extreme amount of other women with this condition have found the same thing. In fact, a low carb diet is RECOMMENDED BY DOCTORS to treat the symptoms of PCOS. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've had a period since I was 13, and that was on a diet comparable to yours. As soon as I started this diet I started getting my periods every. single. month. I lost 120lbs in a year and half on 20 carbs a day, the majority of those carbs coming from vegetables. A month ago I found out I was pregnant, something I never thought would happen with the way my health was going. Now I'm trying to maintain... with experimentation I've found that I can maintain on 100-120 carbs a day, more than that and I gain [b]*even though my calories stay low*[/b]. I'm sorry but you can't tell me that I'm wrong about my own body and that I can maintain at 300 carbs a day LOL... I will be back to 350lbs in 6 months to a year. Because our bodies are [b]simply not the same[/b].

Wrong about what exactly? I'm confused because your link only reiterates what many low carbers here believe LOL My point was that grains are not necessary for health and thus you are not really eliminating a "large" food group... not that nutrients serve you in weight loss. Who the eff would think that that was what I was saying? "[b]Many diets, both fad and more long-term diets, do work[/b]. This is mainly because they [b]reduce calories[/b]. When people switch to a paleo-lithic (hunter-gatherer diet), [b]the foods they switch to are naturally more filling (higher protein, fiber, water content)[/b] or have less calories for the size of the food eaten (due to water content; a pound of broccoli has less calories than a pound of grains). When people switch to a ketosis diet (very low carb), the higher fat and protein levels naturally provide satiety and fill people up. Also, there is some evidence that obese people have a maladapted response to serotonin (of which carbohydrates aid in the synthesis of) and thus [b]omitting carbohydrates omits cravings[/b]. People lose weight on a ketosis diet because [b]they eat less on a day to day basis, and avoid large binges caused from carbohydrate cravings[/b]."

[quote=Diablo360x][quote=Raven... low carb HAS to work--[/quote] A calorie surplus will make you gain weight regardless of carb count. Low carb dieting is simply a technique that helps in lowering calories. Avoiding a large food group=less calorie intake.[/quote] First of all, grains are not a “large” food group, they are actually small on the food pyramid. Also if you’ve ever done research on grains you would find that they are not actually essential to the human diet in terms of nutrition. The wonderful thing about our food is that vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants are not exclusive to one food or food group. The same vitamins and minerals found in grains can be found in many other foods, and oftentimes in larger quantities. Personally I would like to get my nutrition from something more natural (lower in calories too) like a vegetable than a processed piece of bread, tyvm. Optimal health is not dependant on eating all food groups, it’s dependant on eating foods with the vitamins and minerals your body needs. When considering food, you can’t just look at food groups, you have to look at what your food is made of and what your body needs. Many calorie-counters argue that carbohydrates are essential to the body for energy... well they forget that carbohydrates are found in almost every food there is. The best kind of carbs come from vegetables. Yes, low carb naturally is low calorie as well… BUT only if done the proper way, with lots of vegetables because veggies are naturally low calorie. Many people figure that low carb means lots of meat and cheese, but these are actually high in calories AND sodium, and offers no fiber which you body needs. It also eliminates sugar of all kinds… eliminating fruits and starchy foods is a must, as sugar is sugar no matter the source, your body processes it into glucose. Blood sugar also plays a significant role in this diet… you might as well not think of this as “low carb” but more as a diabetic diet. Furthermore, your implication that counting calories is more important than carbs… well, I disagree. I know from experience that I can be high on carbs, low in calories and still gain. I can be low in carbs and high calories and lose. I also feel that the calorie-counting people here and elsewhere are very full of themselves and so intolerant of others doing their diet a different way that they always seem to feel the need to butt in (especially when the topic has nothing to do with calories) and say that people are doing it all wrong… *eye roll*. Not just you but SO MANY others, I get sick of it. How nice it is for you that it’s that simple but it is not so for everyone else. Calorie counting never worked for me, low carb does. If something doesn’t work, change something then change something else until it does. Low carb happened to be that thing that worked for many people. People are different and choose to do things in a way that works for them, get over it already!!

If you aren't reaching even 10 carbs a day, I'd say that that is your problem. You are supposed to get as close to 20 as you can every day, and 15 of those carbs should be coming from vegetables. Try nutrient dense vegetables like brocolli, cauliflower, squash, asparagus, etc. Stay away from the Atkins bars.

Thanks for the heads up-- I'll have to look it up. I too get so annoyed with people's incorrect perceptions about the Atkins diet.

Maybe try cutting your portions of meat, and adding more veggies into your meal. Your meats look like they have the most calories, high in sodium too. Vegetables are low in calories and have a good amount of carbs... try heavy nutrient dense vegetables such as brocolli, squash, asparagus, cauliflower etc., a cup of brocolli is like 3-4 carbs. I try to stick to 1/3 of my plate meat, 2/3 veggie and I struggle to get my calorie count above 1000 everyday, my carbs stay right around 20.

If it's the Stevia in the Raw brand, it's going to have a bitter aftertaste because it's chemically treated. You can tell when any brand has been treated because it's white. When stevia leaves are ground up the resulting powder is naturally green. The only brand I've found that is green and untreated is "Organic Stevia", I haven't tried it but I've heard that there's no bitterness. Unfortunately I've only found it at Whole Foods which is on the other side of my city lol. This year I'm gonna try to grow my own stevia, and grind it up myself. Would be much cheaper in the long run. Splenda is also chemically treated and processed. I found it much easier to adjust to it than Stevia in the Raw, though. I've been using primarily Splenda, but the more I read about all artificial sweeteners and how bad they really are for you the longer you use them, the less I've been using it. I'm more keen to try making my own stevia or using the organic brand as a sweetener I would use for the rest of my life.

Hey there, I can understand being pressed for time, may I make a couple of suggestions? You sound like myself, you don't mind eating the same things frequently. For breakfast, you could make a quiche (I make mine usually on Sunday mornings when I have the most free time), don't be afraid to load up on veggies in this, they make it even better!! It can be cut into 7 servings and will last you the entire week for breakfast. This is a huge time saver especially because I don't feel like making breakfast during the week. http://www.genaw.com/lowcarb/c... http://www.genaw.com/lowcarb/b... There's some ideas for quiche recipes. Also, make doubles of any dinner you have during the week, and package them up for lunches. This is a huge time saver and keeps you on track with healthful food prepared at the ready. Good luck!!

I too weigh myself everyday. It helps to keeps me accountable, and I like being able to keep a daily track of it. If I didn't, I wouldn't catch problem foods early on, and nip it in the bud before I really start gaining back weight. Doing things this way, has shown me that there are certain foods that though they are low carb, my body still reacts badly to them. Seeing the scale go up doesn't bother me so much anymore, because I know that the next day or two days from now I could see a loss... meaning I was retaining water or something I stopped eating something my body disagreed with. The only time it stresses me is when I hit plateaus... but then I am still able to catch it early on and try certain methods of breaking through it. *shrugs* It works for me.

Here's another good one.. I get LOTS of good recipes here http://www.genaw.com/lowcarb/ Also on Youtube there's this channel.. he has recipes that he shows you how to cook, product reviews, and tips. Helpful stuff! http://www.youtube.com/channel...

Fred... I don't see a single person on here arguing with your point. In fact a lot of us are more or less agreeing with you that Atkins products are not what they claim to be and will make you gain. A lot of us got educated by our bodies and decided they weren't good for us to rely on. And a lot of us choose to not to listen exclusively to the book, and decide to steer clear of processed foods and focus on whole natural foods with one ingredient, which the book actually heavily stresses (newer versions I know nothing about.. I read the book before Atkins products were even born and rely on that). That being said, there ARE some people who lose weight with these products... that's great for them, but I'm one of those people who can't. There's things that are low carb and healthy to eat, and a lot of low carbers can have, but I can't. Flax seed meal, for one. I can't have that and still lose weight. You must realize that people are fundamentally different and what works for one doesn't work for all. That is why I mostly tell new "cultists" (lol) to experiment if they want but be cautious because MANY people have trouble with them. [b]fredmugs wrote: Like most cultish groups you can't tell the Atkins community anything they don't want to believe.[/b] ^^ I take offense to that. You lumped all of us low carbers together in one group and labeled us all as "cultish" and you were negative when no one was negative toward anyone else in this thread until you said that. It was really uncalled for as a couple of others have already said. Maybe you missed it, but people are offended by your attitude towards other people, not your point. I was actually reading your original post with an open mind and agreeing with you up to the point when you made that statement. I then decided that it was quite "trollish" to come onto an Atkins thread, on an Atkins forum, and say something like that when you aren't on the Atkins diet yourself. I felt that you deserved no response and you didn't really get any response other than "hey that's rude". Yet you're back and arguing with a wall.... no one is arguing with your point. Thank you for the information, I'm sure it will help a lot of newbies with deciding on the Atkins products. Unless you have an apology for being disrespectful I think you've finished making your point, right? Good day.

TY so much Raven for saying what I was thinking in the back of my head. I will never ever understand people like that.

I've been doing Atkins for a year and a half, I've used a variety of "low carb" treats like Atkins bars and sugar free candies... but also watch my weight loss diligently. For the most part, I don't trust "low carb" products anymore after experimentation. Though having one once a week doesn't affect me. Everyone is different, and must experiment themselves and watch for changes in their weight loss to determine how their body reacts to certain foods. You're going to have to do the same thing when you get to OWL, might as well start now :d

I changed my RDI to 1500 a while back, but sticking to that is not a challenge in fact I always end up being well below that. A lot that is low carb is naturally low calorie also.

I did a lot of research on miracle noodles and decided it wasn't for me since it's best with asian dishes. For noodles I use spaghetti squash which I prefer. I haven't tried too many low carb products, especially breads. Has anyone tried Carb Krunchers? I've wondered about their products.